Hi all,
Due to a tech problem, Tina sent me this discussion topic she made - I am posting it just on behalf of her. Thanks Tina for the great questions! :) - John
Week 4 ~ Bly
Noddings, 4 ~ Aims, Goals, and Objectives
The Cardinal Principles are a good starting point for discussing aims in the 21st century according to Noddings on page 44. However, Noddings also notes that John W. Gardner was concerned with whether 20th century schools could manage such a great task. I will not review the process from aims to goals, and objectives, except to reiterate that goals must be given considerable thought, “Goals should be attainable, and they should be established cooperatively in the light of aims to which we are committed” (Noddings, 2013, p. 47). And then, “aims are stated at a general and ideal level---‘thorough and efficient education’ for all students---goals depend on a careful analysis of the subject to be taught, the interests and talents of students, available resources, and the social and economic needs of the larger community” (Noddings, 2013, p. 47).
Noddings states that teachers must embrace unexpected teaching moments, explains how important learner-centered lessons are, and that there will also be many teacher-centered lessons. “What is necessary is to analyze a unit of work and decide when the method is applicable” (Noddings, 2013, p. 51).
A couple of points that I saw coming up again and again was how there is too much focus on test results (something that many educators are obviously frustrated with), and that too many methods have been pushed to the side by being taken too far (Noddings). I was fascinated with Noddings’ take on technology. What does everyone think about the possibility of dehumanization through technology and teaching?
Noddings 7 ~ Toward Ecological Cosmopolitanism
Noddings discusses how our environment shapes us and how the first European settlers in America “discovered” the land, trees, water, and wildlife. She then elaborates on how Americans lead the world in consumption of the world’s resources (Noddings, 2013, p. 83). Noddings then points out that school curricula do not address conservation. She continues with discussing “Living In Place,” “Earth: More Than A Collection of Nations,” “Geography With A Purpose,” and “Toward Peace On Earth.”
During the reading of “Living In Place,” it is pointed out that anytime new material is introduced, which may be at odds with parents, is introduced, that parents must be made aware of the content and its purpose. History revolves around wars and the responsibility lies across all disciplines to find some balance (Noddings). For example, English teachers may include poetry that glorifies war, but also include poetry that condemns war (Noddings, 2013, p. 100). This chapter culminates with a call for discussions of war, its destructiveness, and calls for American enemy perspectives (Noddings, 2013, p. 100).
Regarding curriculum, “It should induce a shiver of horror in students to hear of the hatred that once characterized our relations with people we now regard as friends” (Noddings, 2013, p. 100). What do you think about finding ways to implement this in our curriculum and in our schools?
W & S ~ 5 ~ Procedures for Making Curriculum
After reading the Tyler Rationale, Schwab’s Practical and Eclectic Approach, and Freire’s Emancipation Approach, I am personally drawn to Freire, and I have been for some time. In my view, there is nothing in this world like the rewarding act of taking one who was once illiterate to a position of literacy. The problem, the concern for Freire is that the uneducated have become subjected to domination by the wealthy (W & S, 2009, p. 64). Freire would have wanted students and teachers to collaborate, to work together so that they may step back and achieve together images of a better reality (W & S, 2009, p. 64). “This ability to step back from an unconscious acceptance of things as they are and to perceive the world critically, even in the midst of pervasive, powerful subtle forces tending to distort and oppress, is what Freire means by attaining critical consciousness” (W & S, 2009, p. 64). What are some comparisons among Tyler, Schwab, and Freire? (W & S), like so many, refer to Freire’s as a more “radical” proposal (W & S, 2009 p. 63). I wonder about this word “radical.” Is this word relating to extensive change, action, revolutionist? Is Freire a progressive? Is this word, “radical,” positive or negative? How might the African American slaves in America who were once forbidden to read, feel about the word radical?
W & S, 6 ~ Explaining and Critiquing Curriculum Practices
A critical attitude in regard to curriculum practices is important for educators (W & S, 2009, p. 69). We read a critique of the Tyler Rationale and how Kliebard believes that a new model is long overdue (W & S, pp. 70-71).
Curriculum and Criticism of Modern Life
Here, we learned how Apple claims that schools are functioning in “cultural reproduction,” that America is primarily invested in capital, corporations which control the media, distribution of goods, production, and that these interests exercise hegemony that leads to powerful mechanisms of domination (W & S, 2009). Apple argues that knowledge is a form of social capital and that through selective approaches schools “help preserve the existing power relations of society through hidden curriculum” (W & S, pp. 72-73) Do you see a connection between Apple and Freire?
Understanding How Curriculum Works in the Classroom
After dissatisfaction with existing studies which found no significant differences between achievement test results for mixed-ability grouped classes when compared to ability-grouped classes, Dahllof conducted his own study where he discovered that high-ability students in mixed-ability classes were moving through course material slower than their peers in ability-grouped classes (W & S, p. 74). When reading this section did anyone get the feeling that the variables were in any way manipulated to get this result?
The section titled, Curriculum in Relation to Culture focuses on the loss of the teaching of rhetoric in schools and points out that this was connected to printing (W & S, 2009, p. 77). No one can deny that the world of technology and electronics is highly impacting society. According to Ong, the new information age is “producing a revolution in the fundamental way we express ourselves,” (W & S, 2009, p. 70). How might this technology affect curriculum?
W & S, 7 Cross-Currents of Reform
Reform is namely called for when there is a perception that the educational system is not working as it should (W & S, 2009, p. 80).
The Anatomy of Reforms
During an era of reform, powerful forces for change, education budgets, various foundations, government agencies, and donors temporarily provide more funds, while many teachers and principals gain new energy and enthusiasm” (W & S, 2009, p. 83). Reform and Incremental Change: Reform leading to curriculum changes do happen, but they happen very slowly leading to an ongoing process of change.
Teachers and Reform
Reforms lead to differing attitudes from teachers as many embrace participation fully, some believe that decisions should be made locally, some teachers feel that their accomplishments, years of loyal service earns them the right to influence curriculum, and they resent outside intrusions and strangers in their schools (W & S, 2009, pp. 88-89). This i discrepancy is further addressed in:
Who’s in Charge of the Curriculum ~ where reform challenges all established procedures and brings about some discontent forl members who are locally involved otherwise (W & S, 2009, p. 90). An entire section is devoted to asking:
Is Reform a Good Thing? Pros and Cons of Reform are covered
Working with Reform is addressed and then at the very end……
“This does not diminish your importance as a teacher” (W & S, 2009, p. 102).
What do you all think?
I have been checking in and I see no responses, which is ok, we can get to this, but I need to make sure, may I ask if there are some responses here that I am not able to access.
ReplyDeleteI do know that there were many issues we faced head on this week in our course work which was reflected in my initial post. As this class progresses, the content is taking our minds to uncharted waters and challenges us to think in many different ways. Please share your thoughts on this as well when time.
ReplyDeleteHi Tina, sorry for being delayed to jump into our discussion. I have my ACR meeting done this afternoon, my whole weekend and until today morning, the meeting materials were in my head. Now I'm getting into our discussion. I'll follow up some questions and topics soon. Thanks!
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DeleteTina, first, I would like to jump into the topic of procedures for making curriculum, where W&S discussed Tyler, Schwab, and Freire. Just like you, I also can say that I'm drawn to Freire, and your question about the word "radical" was thought-provoking. To me, the word "radical" seems positive, and be used because we can compare the degrees of "radicalness", towards the curriculum's effect on students' life, among the three different types here.
ReplyDeleteWhat caught my eyes from Freire's section in W&S was the steps that Freirian curriculum making; observe the locality, investigate students' dialogue, and select a topic that seems to make the students oppressed, in the name of "thematic investigation" (p. 65). I really like the ways of fully and radically investigating students' reality and needs in order to incorporate them into the curriculum with the lens of how to raise their "critical consciousness." Thus, I think the "radical" here implies positive, real, and empowering characteristics. What do you all think?
Besides, I really like W&S's question for us to compare Tyler's and Freire's ideas on this topic - are they different? Seriously? I really like that the authors pointed out that Freire's ideas also cover Tyler's ideas to some extent: "So, Freire's plan for curriculum making is a "combination" of the procedural and the rationalization approaches to curriculum determination" (p. 66). What do you think? Let me borrow W&S's wording here, "are they basically similar or are they fundamentally different?" (p. 66)
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DeleteI agree with your definition. I like the terminology and the line of thinking that you follow when addressing the word radical in regard to Freire.
I also agree that it is very important to "observe the locality, investigate students' dialogue, and select a topic" that contributes to oppression. At the same time, whether we are looking at teachers in urban schools or teachers in elite areas, and, even though “who” the students are, may impact curriculum, both groups across the spectrum deserve to be educated regarding oppression. So, in response to your question regarding Freire’s approach to curriculum making, I believe that Freire has an enormous focus on empowerment. I would like to see further feedback from our co-members before fully addressing this thought- provoking question. What does everyone else think regarding Tyler and Freire, "are they basically similar or are they fundamentally different?" (W & S, p. 66).
Thanks Tina. As Freire has fascinated my teaching philosophy since I began my doctoral program, I keep thinking how to incorporate his ideas to my curriculum. Theoretically, almost "everyone" is a victim of oppression to some extent - so, there is no absolute oppressor (maybe there are some?). My further thought is for the elite or privileged group. He showed us good examples for the oppressed cases. However, for the students in higher position in the social class, how can we embed Friere's ideas (critical consciousness to change the oppressed situation) into their curriculum?
DeleteHello John, I have focused more on Macedo than Freire. However, Macedo was Freire’s protégé and I am deeply influenced by both. History is the key. As time goes by and I continue with my own research, I find other theorists from various perspectives who may not fully acknowledge Freire, but who definitely would align with him in many ways. If we look at this question you ask regarding the elite, we may turn to Banks who writes that when history of various cultural, language, or historical groups are ignored in curriculum, ethnocentrism and racism are perpetuated in our schools (Banks, 2004). Having said that, students from the elite and/or privileged populations cannot fully conceptualize their own history if they are not consciously aware of who it is, that has been oppressed.
DeleteBanks, J. A. (2004, December). Teaching for social justice, diversity, and citizenship in a global world. In The educational forum (Vol. 68, No. 4, pp. 296-305). Taylor & Francis
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DeleteI might add that what I am saying is that we may work with the very top of the elite, but even these students should be taught with political clarity in mind. Of course this must be done in a manner that does not harm in any way, we must teach with care (Noddings).
Hi John, I like your question regarding students in situation of power. You mentioned earlier that everyone is a victim of oppression to some extent, and I would actually add that everyone is also an oppressor to some extent. In the case of privileged students, and I assume you mean socio-economically privileged students, I would dig into power relations related to sex and gender identity, sexual orientation (with heteronormativity), religion/beliefs and race. Realizing we are oppressors is also extremely important, as you might remember from the Pedagogy of the Oppressed and perhaps - I am not sure if this was discussed in it - in the Pedagogy of Freedom.
DeleteTina, when you say that history is the key, which reminds me more of traditionalist positions, I am wondering if Freire would agree with this. I still need to learn and reflect on Freire's work, but also on what makes someone more a traditionalist or a progressive, but I have the impression that if we put Freire in the latter category, because it focuses primarily on the present and the future, history would not be a central component... but I might be wrong.
DeleteI would however agree with you that putting history in perspective might be a way of acquiring critical awareness of one's oppression, which makes me wonder if what I wrote in the previous paragraph makes sense about Freire. I would like to make the connection of this idea with Gorski's "equity literacy" which ties the present to the past and the future. Gorski is certainly progressive, which makes me question now whether I misunderstood the chapter in W & S regarding the distinction between traditionalists and progressives, or if I actually disagree with the way history is being used as a marker of discord between the two views.
What do you think about this? Should history be an axis of division between traditional and progressive approaches of curriculum?
Tina, thanks for your input. I really like Banks' ideas about teaching the elite group the holistic views of history, culture, and politics. This discussion reminds me of Sonia Nieto's article I read for the "understand different cultures" class about the true "multi-cultural education." Not understanding different cultures from countries to countries, rather different cultures based on different SES and social classes across the human society. Social justice seems residing underneath our topic, and which is necessary not only for curriculum the lower class, but also for the high class. Just wondered, have you all taught any privileged group with this perspectives?
DeleteNieto, S. (2009). Multicultural education in the United States. The Routledge international companion to multicultural education, pp. 79-91.
Hi Emma, your point about history here seems tied into one question I brought up last week. Yes, from W&S, it seems that traditionalists more favor history than progressives. Progressives value "present experience" because to them it matters for now and future more than what happened in the past. With this in mind, I think that perspective on history might be a distinction point between the two. However, I think it's also based on each individual's stance along the continuum. I find myself leaning more towards the progressives, however, I agree with traditionalists' points about that we can learn from history as well. For history, and other aspects in curriculum making as well, individual stances will play a significant role (of course, understanding each side and listening to them fairly and fully before locating one's stance is very important). What do you think?
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ReplyDeleteChapter 7 reminds me of The Story of B by Daniel Quinn, in that the entire point of the novel revolves around the idea that we should extend the "circle of we", from our selves, our small community to our nation, all nations, other living things and finally the earth as a whole, for our own survival as a species but also because it is our responsibility to limit our impact. Of course, any book on ecology would argue something similar, but the way it is presented by Noddings and Quinn caught my attention (if you have not read Quinn yet, I highly encourage you to do so). From an educator perspective, some disciplines seem like easier grounds, like biology/earth science, or social sciences, but I always struggle implementing such a view in my own teaching of languages. Even when I am in charge of creating my syllabi, I find it delicate and tricky. Do you have any thoughts on this? Any experiences as teachers/students in foreign/second language classes discussing more ecological views?
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DeleteI have not read Quinn, but I will put it on my list.
The Milan Expo was held last year. The theme of "Feeding the Planet, Energy for Life" was explored for around six months. And, countries from all over the world were there and signed pacts. If interested, Milan Urban Food Policy Pact is easily googled to find out more about this ground-breaking event. What I would like to add is that I believe all children deserve to think globally. There are some urban children who have never seen, do not even know what an escalator is. There are some children who have no idea of how to bail hay. It goes on and on. Rural isolated, elite, wealthy, poverty, middle-class, all the way up to college, all should be given an opportunity to understand the world. Culture, language, literacy, all go hand in hand with a global perspective. Yes. Noddings has won me over. : )
I believe that ecological views are an excellent doorway to culture
DeleteTina, I really like your wording on educating globally, "What I would like to add is that I believe all children deserve to think globally." It is really nice to know about The Milan Expo, I looked it up, and it is good to see the mayors work together for food supporting system based on sustainability and social justice. Thanks for your input! I may bring up this topic to my class later. :)
DeleteI must add one thing regarding my previous post: I referred to language learners at a beginner level, not advanced students who have acquired skills enabling them to discuss complex issues in the target language.
ReplyDeleteEmma, very interesting point, and I agree with you. Yes, it seems not that clear for foreign language teachers to incorporate the ecological views into curriculum, when comparing to science or geography classes. However, "ecology" Noddings discussed here seems not only mean the "tangible environmental aspects (pollutions, garbages, and overconsumption)", but also it seems to emphasize more spiritual or "thinking ecology." To me, this seems also connected to critical thinking, or "balanced and harmonized thinking" she mentioned several time in ch. 7. In our L2 classes or language art classes, so, she suggests us to use two different view-based poetry about war as an example, "English course can, for example, include poetry that glorifies war and poetry that condemns it" (p. 100). Also, she suggested that the curriculum should also "include literature from the countries that were once our enemies....with people we now regard as friends" (p.100). So my understanding is that Noddings illustrates the importance of ecological cosmopolitanism not only with the environments (keeping harmony with the Earth and us), but also among people (keeping harmony with other people, cultures, and countries - human beings and us) as the latter are also a part of our nature. This seems to tie into the multi-cultural (social justice) education to some extent as well; the core underpinning for both ecology and critical thinking here seems to lie at the concepts of "self-understanding" and inter-objectivity (interdependence) as well (The nature shapes me, and I do shape the nature). What do you think? :)
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DeleteI get the part related to "ecological cosmopolitanism", and I keep thinking about our classrooms and how the service learning class falls into this category, but remains, in the end very shallow, because it informs privileged groups about people who are underprivileged, but it does not go beyond reaching awareness. Once informed, do we act? Not necessarily. We might act to feel good about ourselves but we do not change the systemic issue of marginalization. Does it make sense? Now, to go back to the classes we both have taught, with a focus on grammatical accuracy (which I already disagree with), I am wondering what space we have as graduate teaching assistants to both question the curriculum assigned to us, but also how to implement a curriculum in which critical thinking arises as central.
I like the idea about decentralizing war, or working around it in different terms through poetry for example, but when I think about curriculum assigned to you, with a very defined syllabus, with pre-made lessons and exercises, where is our critical thinking as teachers? The Defense Language Institute, just like some language departments in college, because they have multiple sections, assign defined materials and lesson plans to their instructors. In these constraints, when you question and have to fear for your position afterward, what can we do?
Emma, I 100% agree with your point here and I also share the suffocating feeling for that sometimes we cannot do much given the tight lesson plans, objectives, and testing schedules. In my experience, one institute had a super-tight schedule, so real teaching hours were less than 5 days for a 4-week course. Retrospectively, what I did to help my students think critically was to help them critique what the textbook said - usually students believe that the textbook is what we cannot go against. For example, ESL textbooks often have wrong or too limited information for vocabulary words or grammar rules, so I bravely said them to cross out what the textbook says and ask them to reflect on what real-life examples could be in their situation, or expanding them. One student asked me one day, "teacher, what does "you bet" mean? Many people here tell me you bet when I say thank you." This may be not a good example, but, I asked him back to think, "what do you think?" He went, "maybe it means you're welcome?" I went, "I think so, then, you may want to add "you bet" for the grammar book introducing "you're welcome" for greeting parts." My purpose was letting them to think beyond the textbook, which would be a foundational thinking for critical thinking. Yes, for beginners, we have limitations for deep discussion, but I still believe that teachers can embed critical thinking in many different ways although we have not planned ahead.
DeleteFor the DLI example, and other institutes' "demands" for teachers, I think we can think about this for where we can stand ourselves between Plato's (supporting society) and Rousseau's (free individuals) aims of education/curriculum. Dewey to me well addressed this point by saying that we should reconcile between the two as an educator. Following the DLI's guideline is important for example, but also as an educator we don't want to miss the latter point either. It sound easier said than done, and idealistic, but I believe that we can do it. And, I believe that you all "struggle" to make that happen as well. What do you think? Am I too ideal? Have you all done any type of this "implicit or limited" critical thinking-based teaching based on the high demands from institutes? Any thoughts?
I like the way that you prompted your student, allowing her/him to come up with the answer ... To briefly answer your last thoughts of question, I have taught English to students from other countries. I used art and poetry quite often (Dr. Angelottie), which creates space for higher level thinking for all, even the young.
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ReplyDeleteThanks so much Emma and John,
Emma, your systemic question could go on all night. I believe that the beginning must first establish counter-narrative histories that acknowledge matters as they truly are. Then I would like to see our students become participating citizens who gain strong identities that would enable them to become critical thinkers rather than accept what they are taught without question. My hopes then for students would be empowerment, so that they, themselves have the knowledge and skills to bring about change in our world.
But basically, these issues of globalism and world peace must become a part of the curriculum. I am not familiar with where you all work, but I believe that John is on to something when he brings up human beings and "self-understanding." I see Noddings calling out to us so that we may move beyond our own localities and aim for world peace and harmony.
Thanks Tina, I learned a lot form this week's discussion, and we want to keep talking about this week's topic at tomorrow's class. :) In a dental clinic I went this afternoon, there was a calendar that seems made by an elementary student. On the top of the calendar, there was a picture of the Earth and a trash can shook their hands, and the trash can said, "I promise to not harm you for us and future generation." I do not remember the exact wording, but this type of simple calendar making with the theme of peace, harmony, and ecology could be a good example for how we can embed them into our classes. For ESL and ELL, how good it is to use the vocabulary words in meaningful ways and creating the contextualized texts! Yeah, I was too excited by Noddings and the calendar. haha.
DeleteTalk to you all in the class. Thanks for the good discussion! :)
Art is very powerful. I too, learned. Thanks so much to all.
DeleteThanks for your discussion. However, it really only marginally focused on the questions I asked you to think about as your read (who should develop curriculum and for what purposes and how should it be developed. while I really consider your discussion thoughtful, it focused on global education, oppression, multicultural education, and ways to teach. Let's chat in class.
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